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"Al-Rafidain Forum" provokes anger and ridicule.. "Exporting killers and electoral polishing"

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"Al-Rafidain Forum" provokes anger and ridicule.. "Exporting killers and electoral polishing"
01 September 2021



The terms of the dialogue are missing (Ultra Iraq)
Ultra Iraq - Editorial Team
After about 5 months on the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  of Prime Minister Mustafa Kazmi for "national dialogue" in the March / last March, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  then in the circles of the protest and summarized its position with the words "no dialogue with killers", it emerged as a practical model today for this call, to enhance its outputs the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  Al-Rafidain Forum for Dialogue, in its third edition for the current year, will be held in Baghdad, over a period of 3 days, in the presence of a group of government and political figures, and it deals with a number of Iraqi files, and focuses in its current version on the elections scheduled for October 2021. .
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The atmosphere of the Al-Rafidain Forum for Dialogue was dominated by several meetings under the name "Leaders' Meeting", in which politicians, heads of political blocs and leaders of armed factions attended.
While the issue of non-dialogue became " [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  " for protesting circles and activists, this decision led to the dropping of any justification for providing channels and microphones for the parties and personalities accused of "repressing the protesters" or covering up their killers,  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  that  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  were nothing but a space [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  giving them an opportunity to present their fixed narratives that they used to present in the media owned and close to them.
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According to these data, the atmosphere of the forum, which was launched for two days on August 30 and 31, was dominated by 12 sessions, and several meetings under the name “Leaders’ Meeting”, in which politicians and heads of blocs attended, most of whom were candidates for the upcoming elections, so that these sessions precede the upcoming elections. By only about 40 days, a golden opportunity for these personalities to re-present their narratives before the elections, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  , where the sessions focused on asking questions from media professionals or interlocutors and giving space to answer them from political figures, and they did not contain the terms of the supposed dialogue via Refuting the answers and discussing the facts, but rather was merely giving political figures an opportunity to present and review their views, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  .
"Ultra Iraq" monitored several angry posts and comments condemning the hosting of these figures, while some protesting circles considered it to open new channels for these figures who are accused of "killing protesters", re-exporting the scene again, and an attempt to "normalize" with them, as journalist Ahmed Al-Suhail wrote. .
 

 
The prominent activist in the Tishreen demonstrations, Zayed Al-Asad, wrote in a post followed by "Ultra Iraq": "Simply the Al-Rafidain Forum is trying to give the killer and thief the opportunity to define himself, express his views and perceptions, and normalize his relations with the street again," considering that "there is no need for that, this has crossed The political class expressed itself well in the October protests, a thousand martyrs, 20 thousand wounded and disabled, dozens of disappeared and hundreds of persecutors," adding: "Thank you, there is no need to recycle the stinking garbage."
 

 
Khaled Khalil Howeidi wrote: "Perhaps the most important thing that distinguishes the work of the Al-Rafidain Center for Dialogue Forum is that it succeeded in reminding us of old political figures who are trying to export themselves as important leaders, in addition to perpetuating stereotyped leaders in whose miserable shadow we have been living for more than 18 years."
 

 
In another post, the Iraqi painter, Adam Iraq, wrote sarcastically, “There is a conference for dialogue titled Dialogue of Al-Rafidain or something like that, unfortunately we were not among the participants in it as effectively as we should, we should have been there and talk with the religious parties that killed the youth in October And others, and we must also have a dialogue with important and authentic personalities who declare their loyalty to Iran first and last, and we must also listen to the thorny issues of the government’s point of view, whose fleet of soldiers trampled the heads of the graduates in front of the cameras.”
He added, "We really should have been at that conference, a salute to all the personalities who were there and who do not suffer from any problem in arguing with the killers and their cowards. As for us, we only have one phrase: no dialogue with the killers."
 

 
What focused the anger and disapproval of this step was the lack of the forum’s paragraphs with the main conditions to call it “dialogue”, as its paragraphs were limited to showing politicians in a place that does not contain explicit questions, refutation and discussion of answers and routine narratives raised by the concerned politicians over the past years, but rather presenting their opinions and reproducing Their narratives are the same, where a member of the Student Union Committee Ikram Wasfi wrote that "Hadi Al-Amiri deliberately attended the Al-Rafidain Forum to escape from the interventions and questions. "If he had been brave, he would have been stripped today at the convention."
 

 
Al-Amri had been a guest [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  interview with the media, Ali Wajeeh, in the closing paragraphs of the forum on the evening of Tuesday, August 31, while he issued statements that faced many [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  on social media, where he said, “The demonstrators are our audience, and we demand the trial of their killers and the return of the fugitive activists.” In the Kurdistan region,” he [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  , “The trial of the killers of the Al-Wathba victim and leader of the League of Nations, Wissam Al-Alaywi, during the events of the October demonstrations, and the failure to prosecute the killers of the 800 protesters came due to the availability of evidence in the first cases and its lack of it regarding the killers of the demonstrators.”
 

 
During the conference, the head of the Popular Mobilization Authority, Faleh al-Fayyad, saw in an interview with the media Hussam al-Hajj, that there is a difference between the Popular Mobilization and the “resistance factions,” noting that “the Popular Mobilization prevented the fall of the State of Iraq, after it had almost disappeared. When the terrorist factions reached the outskirts of Baghdad, he has the primary role in preserving this state."
Al-Fayyad considered that the Popular Mobilization is the one who protects the Iraqi sovereignty and is the guarantee of the survival of the state, saying that “we must clarify what the state is. The internal and external challenges facing the country, the most prominent of which is the tendency to dictatorship.
According to al-Fayyad, “Talk about the mobilization’s political opinions and orientations and its practices sometimes towards state institutions. There is a misunderstanding in the minds of many that there is no difference between the mobilization and the resistance factions, and this is a big mistake. There is a huge difference between the two entities, one of which is governed by law and a legislator in Parliament and is protected by a fatwa. Because the crowd has enormous popular acceptability, as for the resistance factions, they are a reality that preceded the existence of the popular crowd and they have a different thought and concept and the way they deal and deal with events, and we are not responsible for their directions and actions and are not interested in justifying it.
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Faleh al-Fayyad said during the Rafidain Forum that I do not implement an order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces that violates the order of the religious reference
Al-Fayyadh stressed that “it is very important to separate the resistance factions and the PMF, indicating that” sometimes there is confusion and there are those who used to confuse the PMF elements who responded to the jihadist fatwa with the resistance factions, and the situation is different now, now the PMF is an official body regulated by law, and to be honest it must Saying that obedience is up to the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and the law, and the Popular Mobilization Authority has the peculiarity that it was launched from a legal fatwa and has beliefs and ideology and has a specific thought and this specificity is what gave it the strength to withstand ISIS, but it exists within the framework of the state.
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And he added: “If I were given the choice between implementing an order for the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and violating the directive of the supreme religious authority, I will withdraw from my position, and not implement an order that contradicts the supreme authority, because, in my opinion, it was the one who contributed to creating this very important presence that was not established by official traditional mechanisms and tools.” That "the secret of the strength of this existence lies in the doctrinal specificity, but it must not intersect neither with the law nor with the constitution."
Also during the dialogue activities,  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  head of the "Sadiquon" parliamentary bloc, which is the political wing of the Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq movement, considered that "a distinction must be made between the Popular Mobilization Institution and the resistance factions that operate outside this institution."
Adnan Faihan said, "The resistance factions have officially announced themselves through their own coordination and are officially adopting action against the American occupation forces." 
Also during the conference activities, Al-Fateh coalition spokesman, Ahmed Al-Asadi, defended the "Popular Mobilization", noting that "it has been officially framed since the first day of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  ", in reference to the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  religious authority, Ali al-Sistani. 
Al-Asadi stressed, "The Al-Fateh coalition defends the crowd as it defends the rest of the security forces, considering that targeting the popular crowd is very clear evidence that the crowd is one of the most important institutions that protect and defend the Iraqi state."
The forum also hosted the Speaker of the Iraqi Parliament, Muhammad al-Halbousi, in addition to the head of the Azm Alliance, Khamis al-Khanjar, as well as the leader of the Wisdom Movement, Ammar al-Hakim, the former Prime Minister, Haider al-Abadi, and other personalities of journalists, writers and researchers. 
 
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