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    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response

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    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Empty It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response

    Post by Lobo Mon 26 Oct 2015, 6:30 pm

    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response
    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Picture-5
    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 10/26/2015 16:26 -0400


    For anyone who might still be somehow unaware, the US is currently in a superpower staring match with both Russia and China. The conflict in Syria has put Moscow back on the geopolitical map (so to speak), creating an enormous amount of tension with Washington whose regional allies have been left to look on in horror as Russian airstrikes and an Iranian ground incursion dash hopes of ousting President Bashar al-Assad. 

    Meanwhile, in The South China Sea, Beijing has built 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory atop reefs in the Spratlys and although the reclamation effort itself isn’t unique, the scope of it most certainly is and Washington’s friends in the South Pacific are crying foul.

    Beijing has continually insisted that it doesn’t intend to use the islands as military outposts, but the construction of runways and ports seems to tell a different story and so, Washington felt compelled to check things out over the summer by sending a Poseidon spy plane complete with a CNN crew to the area. Once the PLA spotted the plane the situation escalated quickly with the Chinese Navy telling US pilots to “Go Now!” 

    After that, an intense war of words developed with Defense Secretary Ash Carter insisting that the US would sail and fly anywhere it pleased and Beijing assuring the US that sailing within 12 nautical miles of the islands would prompt a harsh response from the PLA. 

    For weeks, the US was rumored to have been planning a freedom of navigation exercise in the Spratlys which, as we’ve pointed out several times this month, amounts to sailing by the islands just to see if China will shoot. 

    Now, according to CNN, Obama has given the green light and the ships may sail within 24 hours: 

    And more from FT:



    The US navy is poised to start freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea in a high-stakes effort to push back against Chinese territorial claims over artificial islands in the disputed waters.
     
    In a move that will enrage Beijing, the USS Lassen, a guided-missile destroyer, will sail inside the 12-nautical mile zones of two man-made islands — Subi and Mischief reefs — that China has built in the contested Spratly Island chain. A senior US defence official said it would sail through the area in the early hours of Tuesday morning.
     
    China has repeatedly warned that it would not tolerate any effort to violate what it considers its territory. Earlier this month, a senior Chinese naval officer said the People’s Liberation Army would hand a “head-on blow” to any foreign forces that violated Chinese sovereignty. His comments came after the Financial Times reported that the US was poised to launch its operations.
     
    The manoeuvre will mark the first time since 2012 that the US navy has sailed through the 12-nautical mile zone surrounding any islands claimed by China. It is aimed at demonstrating that Washington does not recognise any territorial claims over artificial islands in the South China Sea.

    It's also worth noting that should the US manage to get away with this without sparking a shooting war with the Chinese, it now looks as though Washington is leaning toward making this a regular patrol. Here's a bit of color from Reuters out over the weekend: 



    A range of security experts said Washington's so-called freedom of navigation patrols would have to be regular to be effective, given Chinese ambitions to project power deep into maritime Southeast Asia and beyond.
     
    "This cannot be a one-off," said Ian Storey, a South China Sea expert at Singapore's Institute of Southeast Asian Studies.
     
    "The U.S. navy will have to conduct these kinds of patrols on a regular basis to reinforce their message."
     
    But China would likely resist attempts to make such U.S. actions routine, some said, raising the political and military stakes. China's navy could for example try to block or attempt to surround U.S. vessels, they said, risking an escalation.

    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Lassen_0

    (USS Lassen)

    Here are the latest visuals from Subi and Mischief (the two islands mentioned above):

    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Subi_0

    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Subi4_0

    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Mischief2_0

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but this borders on the insane. Here we have both Washington and Beijing risking an outright military confrontation over what amount to a couple of sandcastles and while there's probably some truth to the contention that China has plans for the islands that go beyond growing plants, building lighthouses, and raising pigs, it's not as though the PLA is going to invade The Philippines so at the end of the day, this looks like another example of what Vladimir Putin recently suggested is evidence that the world is losing its collective mind.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-26/its-obama-sends-destroyer-chinese-islands-china-vows-military-response
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    It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response Empty Re: It's On: Obama Sends Destroyer To Chinese Islands, China Vows Military Response

    Post by fonz1951 Tue 27 Oct 2015, 8:19 am

    the world is losing it's collective mind, he's right about that.on the other hand china, north korea both are a nuisance and need to be stopped.i just wish we could go back and allowed george s. patton to go ahead and conquer russia while we had the chance as well as the resources to have accomplished just that. patton was there,ready and had the guts to do it. just stand back and think about what it would be like right now if we had let patton do it! we would have been able to have military presence right in chinas back door as well as the middle east. but the politicians thought patton had lost his mind and would not hear of such nonsense, patton , however, was smart enough to know that we would probably end up in a war with russia in the future and what better way to remedy that than conquer them right now. that was 70 years ago. boy are we stupid?
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