Just curious if there are any logical reasons as why the rate on the CBI website hasn't changed since 07.04.2013? I see auctions have been updated, but not the rate.
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Bigben- Getting It Investor
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has it always changed maybe they are just slack aholes!
chazmaz- Quiet Investor
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The rate shown on the CBI website is the official rate set by the CBI expressed in USD, IQD1,166 per $1. The CBI attempts to defend/maintain this rate by being wiling to exchange USD for IQD at this rate at the currency daily currency auctions. The fluctuations in the value of the IQD seen on other sites are the result of fluctuations in the value of the dollar.
Additionally, the value of the IQD on the streets of Iraq is lower than the official rate, sometimes IQD 1,300 to IQD 1,400 per $. This gives the insiders, who have access to the currency auctions a virtual money tree - they can take the IQD they receive as salary and exchange it for dollars at a much better rate than is available to ordinary Iraqis. If they have USD, they can buy up IQD on the street at the lower rate and then exchange it for USD at the auctions, earning a quick 10% to 20% return on virtually a daily basis.
This is why I watch the cash portion of the daily auctions. I think the Iraqi insiders who have access to the currency auctions have a pretty good idea of what is going on in terms of the value of the currency. As long as they are willing to exchange their IQD for dollars at IQD 1,166 per USD in large volumes, I don't think that a substantial upward increase in the value of the IQD is imminent. Lately, the cash portions of the daily currency auctions have been higher than at any point in the last 4 years. I had hoped that the release from Chapter 7 would result in a decrease in the volume of the cash portion of the auctions, but there has been no discernible change.
So, I am not optimistic that there will be an increase in the value of the currency soon. I hope I'm wrong and would be happy to hear from anyone with a different viewpoint.
Additionally, the value of the IQD on the streets of Iraq is lower than the official rate, sometimes IQD 1,300 to IQD 1,400 per $. This gives the insiders, who have access to the currency auctions a virtual money tree - they can take the IQD they receive as salary and exchange it for dollars at a much better rate than is available to ordinary Iraqis. If they have USD, they can buy up IQD on the street at the lower rate and then exchange it for USD at the auctions, earning a quick 10% to 20% return on virtually a daily basis.
This is why I watch the cash portion of the daily auctions. I think the Iraqi insiders who have access to the currency auctions have a pretty good idea of what is going on in terms of the value of the currency. As long as they are willing to exchange their IQD for dollars at IQD 1,166 per USD in large volumes, I don't think that a substantial upward increase in the value of the IQD is imminent. Lately, the cash portions of the daily currency auctions have been higher than at any point in the last 4 years. I had hoped that the release from Chapter 7 would result in a decrease in the volume of the cash portion of the auctions, but there has been no discernible change.
So, I am not optimistic that there will be an increase in the value of the currency soon. I hope I'm wrong and would be happy to hear from anyone with a different viewpoint.
chazmaz- Quiet Investor
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I am curious if anyone has any thoughts on my previous post regarding the significance of the CBI auctions.
jacksmack- Understood Investor
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jbowhunter wrote:Just curious if there are any logical reasons as why the rate on the CBI website hasn't changed since 07.04.2013? I see auctions have been updated, but not the rate.
I didn't see it change on 7/4 ...........its been 1166 for quite sometime.
Bigben- Getting It Investor
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chazmaz wrote:The rate shown on the CBI website is the official rate set by the CBI expressed in USD, IQD1,166 per $1. The CBI attempts to defend/maintain this rate by being wiling to exchange USD for IQD at this rate at the currency daily currency auctions. The fluctuations in the value of the IQD seen on other sites are the result of fluctuations in the value of the dollar.
Additionally, the value of the IQD on the streets of Iraq is lower than the official rate, sometimes IQD 1,300 to IQD 1,400 per $. This gives the insiders, who have access to the currency auctions a virtual money tree - they can take the IQD they receive as salary and exchange it for dollars at a much better rate than is available to
ordinary Iraqis. If they have USD, they can buy up IQD on the street at the lower rate and then exchange it for USD at the auctions, earning a quick 10% to 20% return on virtually a daily basis.
This is why I watch the cash portion of the daily auctions. I think the Iraqi insiders who have access to the currency auctions have a pretty good idea of what is going on in terms of the value of the currency. As long as they are willing to exchange their IQD for dollars at IQD 1,166 per USD in large volumes, I don't think that a substantial upward increase in the value of the IQD is imminent. Lately, the cash portions of the daily currency auctions have been higher than at any point in the last 4 years. I had hoped that the release from Chapter 7 would result in a decrease in the volume of the cash portion of the auctions, but there has been no discernible change.
So, I am not optimistic that there will be an increase in the value of the currency soon. I hope I'm wrong and would be happy to hear from anyone with a different viewpoint.
Dont think much about Iraq currency auction but I think auction has to do with stabilising exchnage rate along with a program rate set while under chp 7. while under program rate iraq sells oil funds go into dfi which helps them build reserves, prior to the setting of 1470 iraq had only about 10 billion in reserves to back their currency now they have over 86 billion last reports i read somewhere plus 30 plus tons in gold. Chapter 7 is no longer so now they are free to do with the rate as they see fit and I would think that would mean the removal of zeros and setting of a new rate backed by all that money and gold which would mean that there would be no need for currency auctions! That's all I. Know maybe duck can explain more?
Bigben- Getting It Investor
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And with a mp saying they need to set date for currency reset means removal of zeros and new rate!
CITEX- Insane Investor
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jacksmack wrote:
I didn't see it change on 7/4 ...........its been 1166 for quite sometime.
There is a date posted in the exchange rate box, its at the bottom.
chazmaz- Quiet Investor
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CITEX wrote:
There is a date posted in the exchange rate box, its at the bottom.
The CBI's official rate has been IQD1,166 per USD since Jan 17, 2011, when Shabibi changed moved it there from IQD1,170 per USD. You can see this in a file that CBI posts at the following link:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
This shows the results of every currency auction that the CBI has held since the new dinar was issued.
I always wondered why Shabibi moved the rate the minuscule 4 dinars if it wasn't just to prove that he was in control of the rate.
chazmaz- Quiet Investor
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Bigben wrote:
Dont think much about Iraq currency auction but I think auction has to do with stabilising exchnage rate along with a program rate set while under chp 7. while under program rate iraq sells oil funds go into dfi which helps them build reserves, prior to the setting of 1470 iraq had only about 10 billion in reserves to back their currency now they have over 86 billion last reports i read somewhere plus 30 plus tons in gold. Chapter 7 is no longer so now they are free to do with the rate as they see fit and I would think that would mean the removal of zeros and setting of a new rate backed by all that money and gold which would mean that there would be no need for currency auctions! That's all I. Know maybe duck can explain more?
I agree - the auction is the way that the CBI attempts to stabilize the rate at its target, in this case IQD1,166. My thought about the auctions is that its a place where insiders - the Iraqi banks and their "in the know" customers - get to exchange their dinar for USD. Now, if and insider has dinar from business profits, bribes or a salary, they can either hold onto it or exchange if for USD.
If these insiders thought the dinar was about to go up in value, and some of them might be in a position to know or to at least hear rumors, they would want to hold onto their dinar. Recently, recently, the cash portion of the auctions has been really high compared to previous periods. I don't see why Iraqi big-wigs would want to trade in their dinar if it was about to increase in value.
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