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Zebari: Iranians wanted to thwart the Americans do not experience democracy
BAGHDAD - Ghassan Charbel
Episode II
Tells Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said U.S. officials briefed their Iranian counterparts in Geneva on Washington's decision to launch a war to topple Saddam Hussein's regime, and that Arab countries were aware of the decision.He says that Iran has sought to thwart the U.S. military presence in Iraq, while Syria has sought to thwart the presence and with the political process. Zebari talks about his visit to Baghdad, former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during which accompanied him as head of the mission of honor. Reveals that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi tried to invoke the presence of foreign forces occupying Iraq not to participate in the summit, intervened emir of Kuwait, Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah and Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, confirming the presence of foreign forces to bases in their countries in accordance with agreements with the authorities. Here is the text of the second episode:
Is it tough to deal with Syria on the subject of the passage through its territory fighters?
- There was a Syrian decision, was the passage of the fighters is their knowledge and facilitate them, and their purpose was to resist the occupation and the failure of the American project - in the establishment of Western democracy in the Middle East, or the failure of the democratic model in Iraq. They were worried about the issue of democracy. Model posed by Iraq, I am afraid many systems. I know today what is being said about this trial and عثراتها, but it was not a simple matter that Iraqis go to the polls in a free election after a long stay in a one-party grip. I say that the fall of Saddam Hussein, regardless of occupation, was a prelude or the beginning of a revolution 'Arab Spring'. I recall that there have been demonstrations in Iraq and met in the Council of Ministers and found Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the ministers concerned and suggested reforms, Fastmhilthm saying: You Mmeskun strongest system and better system if you know how you are conducting the operation, and asked them to monitor what are the demands of the Arab masses and what are the demands of Iraqis . We have in Iraq, problems in the electricity and services and poor management, but the problem of systems (which faced popular revolutions) was poor judgment, where people were feel marginalized No opinion nor the decision, while our position in Iraq is very strong and the people feel they can express their choices at the ballot box, and invited them to pay attention to the differences.
Do you see that there was an agreement Iranian - Syrian to thwart the democratic experiment in Iraq?
- We must distinguish, they want to thwart the Iranian Americans and the U.S. military presence is not the failure of the democratic experiment, while the Syrians they want to thwart the American democratic experiment. They agreed on the basic objective and differed on the details. Iran, unlike Syria, was the first state, while established the Governing Council and Bremer was still who's boss in the affairs of Iraq, which sent an official delegation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and «Revolutionary Guards» to the headquarters of the Governing Council to congratulate the Council's formation in 2003.
Before the war, Americans talked with the Iranians in Geneva more than once and at the level of officials, and deliberated in the technical operational issues, and the issue of airspace and border issues. These meetings continued to be a war and after the fall of Saddam. The Americans deliberately to sever this relationship, and when we asked them why they said they had a group of wanted al-Qaeda know that they are located in Iran, which declined to extradite them.
When the U.S. war on Iraq Was aware of Iran? Was Syria aware of?
- I think that Iran was aware of, as well as a group of Arab countries. We find evidence if we read memos published by the American military leaders and politicians about what made by these countries.
Americans made a mistake in dealing with the Syrian side, فالقيادات Field American was confirmed that it is essential to prevent Syria from providing these facilities (fighters) because they contribute to the killing of Americans and Iraqis, and considered that there should be a violent response to Syria and so they can be to send messages very strong to the Syrians. Politicians and diplomats have had another opinion. Colin Powell visited Syria Syrian diplomatic door and saw in his visit confirms their importance, as well as Bill Burns (Under Secretary of State) visited Syria more than once in an attempt to persuade them to prevent hackers and militancy on the border crossing points at the airport. Syrians touchscreen frequency American Vastasdoa.President Bashar boasted that he met with Secretary of State Colin Powell rejected the conditions to carry. U.S. telecommunications Syrians were encouraged to consider their position intact.
as Iraq's foreign minister met with Iranian officials?
- I met all the leaders of the Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to presidents Mohammad Khatami and Hashemi Rafsanjani and Ahmadinejad to Qassem Soleimani (Commander of Qods Force), of course, in addition to foreign ministers. Iranians treated intelligently and sophisticated with the new power in Iraq and the door of the status quo, they tried hard to topple Saddam with all the Ottawa force during the Iraq war - Iran and failed due to Western and Arab support (to Saddam). America came to drop the biggest and worst enemies of Iran, it was surely making them very, so the logic of things to help not to يعرقلوا the change.
Iranians were afraid of the continued presence of American troops on their borders in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they had a perception that the Americans will leave Iraq, but they came to stay in it, as well as the Syrians thought. We were always assured the Iranian and Syrian leaderships that the Americans will leave Iraq. Spread many novels, including that Americans have come to put their hands on the oil, and they will be staying permanent military bases on Iraqi soil. Tried to reassure المتخوفين but had some interest in not true.
In the first meeting attended by the Arab League called us and Egypt's foreign minister to lunch, a call directed to all traditional Arab foreign ministers participating in the meetings of the university. I sat down with Prince Saud al-Faisal and Faruq al-Shara, Ahmed Maher and Kuwaiti Foreign Minister Amr Moussa. Farouq al-Shara began addressed to the questions where something provocation. And had begun some acts of resistance, al-Shara said to me, if the Americans killed a hundred or two hundred troops in Iraq, do you think staying in it? I told him I'm not at the site to speak on behalf of the Americans, but I think that if he were killed, four thousand or five thousand will not leave Iraq, because America that entered Iraq is America that entered Somalia and pulled out after the downing of a «Black Hawk», and is America that the headquarters of the Marines in Beirut to blow I left Lebanon. America after the events of 11 September will remain even if you encounter resistance and lost soldiers, the majority of these soldiers are not Americans, but strangers were provided with a green card (permissions stay in the United States), said to me, we will wait and see. In an interview years later that conversation and reported the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq has reached more than a thousand Americans are still consolidating their forces in Iraq.
Iranian and Syrian fear was the U.S. presence and transmission of that experience pluralistic democracy to other countries. But there are differences in the accounts. Iranians, unlike the Syrians, they saw that all of the government in Iraq Friends of them, Shiites, Kurds, and we have to Naawnehm and help them. The Syrians were negative outlook to all things.
Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was always warns us not to trust the Americans, saying they did not come to Iraq for your interest, but for their own interests, and you as a popular force must be weary their plans, and you will be the owners of real power, and that the U.S. presence should end as soon as possible. This position was frequented in private meetings and public with him, as well as the position of Ahmadinejad, which is intelligent, and was the first president to visit Iraq in 2007 and I was head of the mission of honor to accompany him and went down at the airport in Baghdad, when we had 170 thousand U.S. troops, and saw the sheer size of tanks and weapons and U.S. forces own eyes. Americans did not object to the visit after he told them the identity of the prospective visitors, but on the contrary they welcomed the visit. Ahmadinejad asked what he saw from U.S. forces at the airport I said that this is one of the bases in Iraq, and there is the largest bases in other parts. Was متوجسا during the visit, but we Amdna the to Ttminh, which he trusted us, and was passing on the control points for the Americans, but prior coordination with the easy passage of the procession. The team, which was coordinated with us all its personnel Americans. In one of the control points were intercepted the convoy of President Ahmadinejad on the suspension bridge when we are out of the Green Zone, U.S. soldiers told us they stopped the procession to take pictures with the Iranian president. I asked the U.S. coordinator make way to avoid any embarrassment. President Mahmoud told Nejad willingly jokingly, did not mind, and I told him that we would not let him leave the car.
The visit was good, and President Ahmadinejad expressed his wish to visit Kadhim. At that time there were bombings and sectarian killings and there were security concerns, but we Amdna to take necessary precautions. Ahmadinejad's visit as the first president to Baghdad after the fall of Saddam was a good pointer to the Iranian mentality. In contrast, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad did not Iserna in Baghdad Although we دعوناه a several times. King Abdullah II visited us for hours, Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited us, the Turks have made two visits to Baghdad, and Iranians زارونا to more than once, to be visited by Arab officials to attend the Arab summit in Baghdad.
Do Qassem Soleimani an important role?
- Is one of the sons of the revolution. Between Iranians actual rulers, except for religious leaders, there is an episode of the leaders of the Revolutionary Guards who were standing guard nucleus, of Mustafa Shomran generation. They were a group of young people who have been involved in the Revolution Guards in Iraq war - Iran and worked to protect the revolution and worked in intelligence and security. Group knows each other and constitute a loop, including ambassadors and officials are important. Qassem Soleimani, and one of them, and can be considered advantaged. Meetings have met him before Baghdad's nuclear and asked if they had a new nuclear in the file he or she talks for talks. Role of influential, is the commander of the Qods Force, an adviser to the supreme guide, who listens to him in foreign policy issues, especially in relation to issues of Iraq and the Gulf, Lebanon, the fact that Soleimani well versed in, as he spoke Arabic well and has personal knowledge with the leaders of the countries concerned.
Does Iran have contributed to the killing of Americans in Iraq?
- Of course, but it did not support al-Qaeda as they hesitated, but some private groups supported special groups, Within the Mahdi Army, for example, there is a special group accuses trained and directed to carry out operations. Syria and certainly contributed to the killing of Americans and a car bombing. Syria launched an open war, we have practically led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis.
BAGHDAD - Ghassan Charbel
Episode II
Tells Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said U.S. officials briefed their Iranian counterparts in Geneva on Washington's decision to launch a war to topple Saddam Hussein's regime, and that Arab countries were aware of the decision.He says that Iran has sought to thwart the U.S. military presence in Iraq, while Syria has sought to thwart the presence and with the political process. Zebari talks about his visit to Baghdad, former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during which accompanied him as head of the mission of honor. Reveals that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi tried to invoke the presence of foreign forces occupying Iraq not to participate in the summit, intervened emir of Kuwait, Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah and Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, confirming the presence of foreign forces to bases in their countries in accordance with agreements with the authorities. Here is the text of the second episode:
Is it tough to deal with Syria on the subject of the passage through its territory fighters?
- There was a Syrian decision, was the passage of the fighters is their knowledge and facilitate them, and their purpose was to resist the occupation and the failure of the American project - in the establishment of Western democracy in the Middle East, or the failure of the democratic model in Iraq. They were worried about the issue of democracy. Model posed by Iraq, I am afraid many systems. I know today what is being said about this trial and عثراتها, but it was not a simple matter that Iraqis go to the polls in a free election after a long stay in a one-party grip. I say that the fall of Saddam Hussein, regardless of occupation, was a prelude or the beginning of a revolution 'Arab Spring'. I recall that there have been demonstrations in Iraq and met in the Council of Ministers and found Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the ministers concerned and suggested reforms, Fastmhilthm saying: You Mmeskun strongest system and better system if you know how you are conducting the operation, and asked them to monitor what are the demands of the Arab masses and what are the demands of Iraqis . We have in Iraq, problems in the electricity and services and poor management, but the problem of systems (which faced popular revolutions) was poor judgment, where people were feel marginalized No opinion nor the decision, while our position in Iraq is very strong and the people feel they can express their choices at the ballot box, and invited them to pay attention to the differences.
Do you see that there was an agreement Iranian - Syrian to thwart the democratic experiment in Iraq?
- We must distinguish, they want to thwart the Iranian Americans and the U.S. military presence is not the failure of the democratic experiment, while the Syrians they want to thwart the American democratic experiment. They agreed on the basic objective and differed on the details. Iran, unlike Syria, was the first state, while established the Governing Council and Bremer was still who's boss in the affairs of Iraq, which sent an official delegation from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and «Revolutionary Guards» to the headquarters of the Governing Council to congratulate the Council's formation in 2003.
Before the war, Americans talked with the Iranians in Geneva more than once and at the level of officials, and deliberated in the technical operational issues, and the issue of airspace and border issues. These meetings continued to be a war and after the fall of Saddam. The Americans deliberately to sever this relationship, and when we asked them why they said they had a group of wanted al-Qaeda know that they are located in Iran, which declined to extradite them.
When the U.S. war on Iraq Was aware of Iran? Was Syria aware of?
- I think that Iran was aware of, as well as a group of Arab countries. We find evidence if we read memos published by the American military leaders and politicians about what made by these countries.
Americans made a mistake in dealing with the Syrian side, فالقيادات Field American was confirmed that it is essential to prevent Syria from providing these facilities (fighters) because they contribute to the killing of Americans and Iraqis, and considered that there should be a violent response to Syria and so they can be to send messages very strong to the Syrians. Politicians and diplomats have had another opinion. Colin Powell visited Syria Syrian diplomatic door and saw in his visit confirms their importance, as well as Bill Burns (Under Secretary of State) visited Syria more than once in an attempt to persuade them to prevent hackers and militancy on the border crossing points at the airport. Syrians touchscreen frequency American Vastasdoa.President Bashar boasted that he met with Secretary of State Colin Powell rejected the conditions to carry. U.S. telecommunications Syrians were encouraged to consider their position intact.
as Iraq's foreign minister met with Iranian officials?
- I met all the leaders of the Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to presidents Mohammad Khatami and Hashemi Rafsanjani and Ahmadinejad to Qassem Soleimani (Commander of Qods Force), of course, in addition to foreign ministers. Iranians treated intelligently and sophisticated with the new power in Iraq and the door of the status quo, they tried hard to topple Saddam with all the Ottawa force during the Iraq war - Iran and failed due to Western and Arab support (to Saddam). America came to drop the biggest and worst enemies of Iran, it was surely making them very, so the logic of things to help not to يعرقلوا the change.
Iranians were afraid of the continued presence of American troops on their borders in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they had a perception that the Americans will leave Iraq, but they came to stay in it, as well as the Syrians thought. We were always assured the Iranian and Syrian leaderships that the Americans will leave Iraq. Spread many novels, including that Americans have come to put their hands on the oil, and they will be staying permanent military bases on Iraqi soil. Tried to reassure المتخوفين but had some interest in not true.
In the first meeting attended by the Arab League called us and Egypt's foreign minister to lunch, a call directed to all traditional Arab foreign ministers participating in the meetings of the university. I sat down with Prince Saud al-Faisal and Faruq al-Shara, Ahmed Maher and Kuwaiti Foreign Minister Amr Moussa. Farouq al-Shara began addressed to the questions where something provocation. And had begun some acts of resistance, al-Shara said to me, if the Americans killed a hundred or two hundred troops in Iraq, do you think staying in it? I told him I'm not at the site to speak on behalf of the Americans, but I think that if he were killed, four thousand or five thousand will not leave Iraq, because America that entered Iraq is America that entered Somalia and pulled out after the downing of a «Black Hawk», and is America that the headquarters of the Marines in Beirut to blow I left Lebanon. America after the events of 11 September will remain even if you encounter resistance and lost soldiers, the majority of these soldiers are not Americans, but strangers were provided with a green card (permissions stay in the United States), said to me, we will wait and see. In an interview years later that conversation and reported the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq has reached more than a thousand Americans are still consolidating their forces in Iraq.
Iranian and Syrian fear was the U.S. presence and transmission of that experience pluralistic democracy to other countries. But there are differences in the accounts. Iranians, unlike the Syrians, they saw that all of the government in Iraq Friends of them, Shiites, Kurds, and we have to Naawnehm and help them. The Syrians were negative outlook to all things.
Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was always warns us not to trust the Americans, saying they did not come to Iraq for your interest, but for their own interests, and you as a popular force must be weary their plans, and you will be the owners of real power, and that the U.S. presence should end as soon as possible. This position was frequented in private meetings and public with him, as well as the position of Ahmadinejad, which is intelligent, and was the first president to visit Iraq in 2007 and I was head of the mission of honor to accompany him and went down at the airport in Baghdad, when we had 170 thousand U.S. troops, and saw the sheer size of tanks and weapons and U.S. forces own eyes. Americans did not object to the visit after he told them the identity of the prospective visitors, but on the contrary they welcomed the visit. Ahmadinejad asked what he saw from U.S. forces at the airport I said that this is one of the bases in Iraq, and there is the largest bases in other parts. Was متوجسا during the visit, but we Amdna the to Ttminh, which he trusted us, and was passing on the control points for the Americans, but prior coordination with the easy passage of the procession. The team, which was coordinated with us all its personnel Americans. In one of the control points were intercepted the convoy of President Ahmadinejad on the suspension bridge when we are out of the Green Zone, U.S. soldiers told us they stopped the procession to take pictures with the Iranian president. I asked the U.S. coordinator make way to avoid any embarrassment. President Mahmoud told Nejad willingly jokingly, did not mind, and I told him that we would not let him leave the car.
The visit was good, and President Ahmadinejad expressed his wish to visit Kadhim. At that time there were bombings and sectarian killings and there were security concerns, but we Amdna to take necessary precautions. Ahmadinejad's visit as the first president to Baghdad after the fall of Saddam was a good pointer to the Iranian mentality. In contrast, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad did not Iserna in Baghdad Although we دعوناه a several times. King Abdullah II visited us for hours, Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited us, the Turks have made two visits to Baghdad, and Iranians زارونا to more than once, to be visited by Arab officials to attend the Arab summit in Baghdad.
Do Qassem Soleimani an important role?
- Is one of the sons of the revolution. Between Iranians actual rulers, except for religious leaders, there is an episode of the leaders of the Revolutionary Guards who were standing guard nucleus, of Mustafa Shomran generation. They were a group of young people who have been involved in the Revolution Guards in Iraq war - Iran and worked to protect the revolution and worked in intelligence and security. Group knows each other and constitute a loop, including ambassadors and officials are important. Qassem Soleimani, and one of them, and can be considered advantaged. Meetings have met him before Baghdad's nuclear and asked if they had a new nuclear in the file he or she talks for talks. Role of influential, is the commander of the Qods Force, an adviser to the supreme guide, who listens to him in foreign policy issues, especially in relation to issues of Iraq and the Gulf, Lebanon, the fact that Soleimani well versed in, as he spoke Arabic well and has personal knowledge with the leaders of the countries concerned.
Does Iran have contributed to the killing of Americans in Iraq?
- Of course, but it did not support al-Qaeda as they hesitated, but some private groups supported special groups, Within the Mahdi Army, for example, there is a special group accuses trained and directed to carry out operations. Syria and certainly contributed to the killing of Americans and a car bombing. Syria launched an open war, we have practically led to the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis.
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